AI is an incredible tool, but is AI also a new coloniser? Is there actually anything new or artificial about artificial intelligence? Join Natasha Mitchell at the 2025 Now or Never Festival to meet two big thinkers building a bridge between First Nations and Western knowledge to disrupt and reimagine the who, what, and why of AI?

This conversation was recorded on 26 August 2025, in partnership with The Wheeler Centre and Now or Never Festival. Discover more talks and bold conversations by following The Wheeler Centre wherever you get your podcasts or at wheelercentre.com

Speakers

Jessica Russ-SmithWiradyuri Wambuul womanAssociate Professor of Social Work in the School of Allied Health, Australian Catholic University.

Michelle LazarusProfessor and Director, Centre for Human Anatomy EducationDeputy Director, Centre for Scholarship in Health Education Monash University.

Coauthors of the open-access book THE AI (R)EVOLUTION: Valuing Country, Culture and Community in a World of Algorithms (Monash University Publishing, 2024).

Get the book here:

https://publishing.monash.edu/product/ai-revolution/