He is the secret weapon behind Chelsea FC, the England Football team, the South African Proteas, and NATO’s Command Group. Yet, Owen Eastwood has no coaching qualifications, describes himself as an "imposter," and often refuses to watch the actual games his teams play.

In this episode, we sit down with the most in-demand performance coach you’ve never heard of.

We discuss the "mystical" session where he made hardened NATO generals cry, why he stays silent for three months before coaching a new team, and the "ancient code" of belonging that now drives billion-dollar organisations.

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