Good news: There is now no condemnation.
Awkward news: Christians still manage to find ways to do it anyway.

In this episode, John Ortberg sits down with his wife (and favorite guest) Nancy Ortberg. Along the way, they explore: 

- Why condemnation doesn’t just live in our words… but in our eyebrows, tone, and jawline. 

- How Jesus consistently gathered the people everyone else had already dismissed. Why the parable of the sower would have sounded wildly irresponsible to first-century farmers

- How anonymity (hello, freeway driving 🚗) turns normal people into moral commentators

- Why learning not to condemn others starts with learning not to condemn ourselves

This conversation is honest, funny, deeply human, and quietly transformative. It’s not about pretending truth doesn’t matter. It’s about discovering that grace is far more generous than we imagined—and that Jesus really meant it when he said he didn’t come to condemn the world.

Also included: accidental theology, body-language confession, and at least one future t-shirt idea.


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