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Franz Nicolay | Band People: From the Tour Bus to Congress, Fighting for the Working Musician

June 4

45 mins

Episode Description

What happens after the show is over?

For most musicians, the reality of a music career isn't private jets, sold-out arenas, or million-dollar record deals. It's long drives, inconsistent income, side gigs, creative fulfillment, and the constant challenge of making a living while pursuing a craft they love.

In this episode of Backstage Money, host Jason K. Powers sits down with Franz Nicolay — musician, writer, educator, current member of The Hold Steady, and author of the acclaimed book Band People: Life and Work in Popular Music.

Named one of Rolling Stone's best music books of 2024, Band People explores the lives of the working musicians who make up the backbone of the music industry. Franz shares lessons from decades on the road, stories gathered from musicians across the industry, and his work advocating for artists through organizations such as the Future of Music Coalition, including bringing the concerns of working musicians to Congress.

This conversation dives into the realities of building a sustainable music career and why musicians need to think beyond the stage if they want longevity.

Topics Include:

What Franz learned from interviewing dozens of career musicians
The concept of the "musical middle class"
Why musicians often struggle to talk about money
Touring, side gigs, and the realities of making ends meet
Songwriting, publishing, and long-term income streams
Band dynamics and career longevity
Music advocacy and taking musicians' concerns to Congress
What younger artists should know about building a sustainable career

If you're trying to build a career in music, this episode offers a rare look at the people who make the industry work, even when nobody sees their names on the marquee.