Cassidy and Skylar sit down with licensed marriage and family therapist, entrepreneur, mental health advocate, and mom of three Nina Westbrook.

Nina opens up about the assignment that made her kids call her "calm queen," the twin pregnancy that brought her to tears, and the high risk delivery that put her health on the line. This discussion touches on:

• Why her twin daughters made a school assignment calling her "calm queen" and what it revealed about how she really handles motherhood on the inside
• Finding out she was having twins after already being a "boy mom," the tears that came with it, and the identity questions she never expected to face
• The high risk complications during her C-section delivery with the twins, and the moment things got scary with her blood pressure
• Why she calls pregnancy and childbirth "the most strenuous stress test" a woman's body will ever go through, and the sobering data on Black maternal mortality that changed how she sees recovery
• Why she believes there is no "bouncing back" after having kids, and the new version of herself she wishes she had embraced sooner instead of chasing who she used to be
• Raising three kids largely offline despite being married to an NBA superstar, and the boundaries she and Russell hold around their children's privacy
• Her simple 15 minute phone free parenting hack for connecting with her kids after school and before bed

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