Caitlin Moran joins Alan for a fascinating chat about Japan, her new gardening podcast with Adam Frost Outsiding, the incredible British history of Oak trees, Liz Taylor and Caitlin's brilliant new book How to be Hopeful which is out in September.

Don't miss this flight's quite literal climax at the end! 

Listen to/watch - Outsiding: https://open.spotify.com/show/033CJY22Urz2BLJK792QRZ

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