Rumi is perhaps the most famous Sufi of all time. For centuries after he died in 1273, his Persian poems were read and recited from the Balkans to Bengal. But his teachings were also passed down through the Mevlevi order that was established after his death in Konya (in present-day Turkey). From their headquarters around Rumi’s shrine in Konya, then subsequently from the Ottoman capital of Istanbul, the Mevlevis became one of the most influential Sufi orders in the eastern Mediterranean. Wrapping Rumi’s poetry into a larger package of ritual, music, meditation, and dance, the Mevlevis explored the many layers of meaning in Rumi’s masterpiece the Masnavi, on which several Mevlevi leaders penned commentaries. In this episode, we trace the development and teachings of the Mevlevi order, with a focus on the distinct emotional style that characterized its spirituality. Nile Green talks to Jamal J. Elias, author of After Rumi: The Mevlevis and Their World (Harvard University Press, 2025).