What makes a painting unforgettable? And how can art history become something that feels personal, clear, and alive?

In this episode of About Art, Heidi Zuckerman speaks with James Payne, writer, curator, educator, and the creator of the internationally beloved YouTube channels Great Art Explained and Great Books Explained.

James has reached millions by making art history accessible—stripping away intimidation while preserving depth, nuance, and emotional power. His videos have been shown at institutions including the National Gallery in London and the Albertina Museum in Vienna, and his mission continues to redefine what cultural education can look like in the digital age.

Together, Heidi and James discuss storytelling, accessibility, the emotional intelligence of art, and why understanding a work of art can be as thrilling as seeing it.